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Blair Enns is a globally recognized thought leader in creative agency sales and the founder of Win Without Pitching, a revolutionary approach that empowers agencies to lead client engagements without giving away free work. He is the author of bestselling books including Pricing Creativity and his latest, The Four Conversations. In this episode, Blair breaks down his powerful new framework for selling expertise—moving from pitching and price haggling to confidently leading sales conversations. Listeners will learn how to increase closing ratios, price based on value, and shift from being seen as a vendor to a trusted advisor. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:53 The Cost of Letting the Client Run the Show 04:36 What are the Four Conversations? 06:58 Show Your Expertise without Giving it Away 08:34 Avoid Evaluating the Client 10:08 Power Dynamics of the Sale 12:56 The Value Conversation 16:18 Working Around Client Budget 18:20 Price the Client, Not the Service 19:53 Moving From Vendor to Trust

Jon Mest is the founder of JustReachOut.io, a cutting-edge PR software platform, and ChatRank.ai, a breakthrough tool for AI-driven SEO. With over a decade of experience helping entrepreneurs and businesses land powerful media coverage, Jon shares his insights on how AI is transforming PR and search strategies. In this episode, he reveals how to build authentic media pitches, win attention in AI-powered search overviews, and why hyper-specific storytelling is the new secret to visibility. Tune in to learn how to future-proof your SEO and PR efforts in the evolving world of digital marketing. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:45 How Has AI Changed the Way You Should Approach PR 02:31 Why PR is Rebounding 04:56 Relationship Between PR and the New SEO 06:55 How to Impact AIO 11:11 What Mistakes Do People Make when Pitching Media 14:32 How Important are Compelling Hooks 16:04 The Importance of Social Proof 17:40 Amplifying Your Current Press Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, p

As a small business owner, you're constantly wearing different hats, from CEO to salesperson to project manager – but what's the secret to juggling it all without burning out? In this insightful episode, John explores the seven critical roles every entrepreneur needs to master, offering actionable advice for delegating, automating, and optimizing your business operations. His practical strategies will help marketing consultants, agency owners, and small business leaders shift from being trapped in day-to-day tasks to focusing on meaningful growth, ultimately creating a business that serves you rather than consuming you. Today we discussed: [00:00] Opening [00:26] Juggling Multiple Roles [04:38] The CEO Role [05:37] The Sales Person Role [07:09] The Strategist Role [08:46] The Project Manager Role [09:49] The Marketing Role [12:59] The Client Manager Role [13:56] The 4-Prong Approach Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us kn

In this solo episode, John unpacks why traditional SEO is no longer enough and how businesses must shift toward search visibility in the age of AI. He explores the impact of zero click searches, E-E-A-T, and AI overviews, and shares actionable strategies to stay visible across Google and beyond.

David Hunter is the CEO of Local Falcon, an AI-powered local SEO platform, and founder of Epic Web Studios, a leading digital marketing agency with over 15 years of industry experience. In this episode, he joins John Jantsch to explore how AI overviews and conversational search are revolutionizing local SEO and reshaping Google’s search behavior. From proximity ranking shifts to the power of structured content and authoritative sources, David shares cutting-edge insights that every local business and marketer needs to hear. Tune in to learn how to future-proof your local search strategy in the age of AI. Today we discussed: 00:09 Introducing David Hunter 00:42 How has AIO Affected Local SEO? 04:10 How is Proximity Affecting Local SEO? 08:02 Ranking Factors in Geographical Search 12:05 Structuring Content for AIO Search 15:10 Giving Your Website the Best Chance of Success 16:58 Unique Challenges for Multiple Location Businesses Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and r

With over two decades of experience helping small businesses thrive, John dives solo into this episode to explore how AI is revolutionizing the buyer's journey. He breaks down the stages of his signature “Marketing Hourglass” framework and shares how businesses must adapt their strategies in an AI-driven world. Tune in to learn how to future-proof your marketing by aligning with evolving customer behavior, embracing self-service tools, and doubling down on authenticity and trust. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introducing Christine Perkett 00:09 The evolved buyer journey 02:29 Reintroducing the Marketing Hourglass as a flexible customer journey mode 03:43 How AI interrupts and reshapes journey stages like know, like, and trust 04:55 Recommendation engines and the rise of self-service experiences 06:12 The need to rethink SEO: focus on questions, not keywords 06:50 Combining digital efficiency with emotional, human-centered marketing 08:33 The journey is already changing—are you adapting? Rate, Review,

Christine Perkett is a seasoned entrepreneur, communications strategist, and co-founder of The Nova Method—a pioneering PR and marketing firm focused on audience-first strategy and brand trust in the age of AI. She is also the founder of Perkett PR and a faculty member at Northeastern University, where she teaches graduate-level social media and branding. In this episode, Christine shares how brands can stay authentic and human while leveraging technology, and introduces the Nova Method’s signature framework: Assimilate, Align, Activate. Listeners will gain insight into building trust, avoiding PR missteps, and navigating the fast-changing landscape of digital communication with confidence. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introducing Christine Perkett 00:49 How the Nova Method was Created 02:12 How is AI Changing PR? 03:24 How AI and PR Helps you Build Trust 06:51 The Three-A's Framework 10:38 Protecting your Brand From Bad Exposure 14:57 How Does PR Intersect with Modern Search 16:52 Understanding a C

Derek Coburn is a seasoned financial advisor, entrepreneur, and bestselling author of Networking Is Not Working. He is the co-founder of Cadre, an exclusive community for CEOs and entrepreneurs, and a respected voice on redefining success and fulfillment. In this episode, Derek dives into the ideas behind his new book Let’s Retire Retirement, challenging the outdated notion of traditional retirement and offering a fresh, liberating approach to living well now and later. Listeners will gain valuable insights on how to align financial planning with purpose, connection, and long-term joy—without waiting for “someday.” Today we discussed: 00:00 Introducing Derek Coburn 00:45 The true history of retirement: Bismarck, FDR, and outdated milestones 03:24 Why 25–30% of retirees are going back to work 04:50 The concept of redefining retirement for personal fulfillment 07:37 Entrepreneurs and the myth of I’ll do it after I exit 08:49 Real-world case study: Jay Baer's pivot from agency to tequila influencer 10:

Geoff Woods is the #1 international bestselling author of The AI-Driven Leader: Harnessing AI to Make Faster Decisions and the founder of AI Leadership and the AI Driven Leadership Collective. As a former Chief Growth Officer of a global company, Geoff brings real-world expertise in using AI to transform how leaders think and make decisions. In this episode, he reveals how AI can serve as a powerful thought partner—enhancing strategic focus, overcoming operational overwhelm, and unlocking breakthrough solutions using his CRIT framework. Tune in to learn how the most effective leaders are leveraging AI to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving business landscape. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:48 Introducing Geoff Woods 01:19 How AI Enhances Leaders Strategic Thinking 03:17 AI as a Thought Partner 04:46 How AI Can Help with Operation Tasks 06:16 Focusing on the 20% 07:52 The C.R.I.T. Framework 13:11 Addressing the AI Culture Shift 16:22 How is AI Changing Decision Making 17:45 What's AI's Role in Le

Mike and Kass Lazerow are seasoned entrepreneurs and investors, best known for co-founding Golf.com and Buddy Media—acquired by Salesforce for $745 million. They've backed nearly 100 early-stage startups, contributing to over $10 billion in realized gains. In this episode, they dive into the raw, often messy reality of entrepreneurship, sharing hard-earned lessons from their journey and their latest book. Listeners will gain powerful insights on thriving in uncertainty, embracing the grind, and building successful businesses and lives through focus, transparency, and relentless drive. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introducing Mike and Kass Lazerow 00:50 The Title of the Book 01:44 How to Make Working with Your Spouse... Work 03:39 The Imbalanced Life 05:58 Everyone is Born an Entrepreneur 07:54 Favorite Cheat Codes 09:47 Embracing Uncertainty 12:06 Lessons in Failure 15:05 When to Pivot 18:05 Leaving a Legacy More About Mike & Kass Lazerow: Check out Mike & Kass Lazerow's Website: https://kassandm

Paul Chaney is a veteran digital marketer, B2B content strategist, and publisher of the AI Marketing Ethics Digest on Substack. In this episode, Paul joins host John Jantsch to explore the crucial yet overlooked intersection of AI and marketing ethics. From the risks of "shadow AI" and techno-stress to building responsible governance frameworks and his Generative AI Business Adoption Hierarchy, Paul offers a grounded, strategic perspective on how businesses can navigate AI adoption with integrity. Tune in to learn why ethical guardrails aren't just about compliance—they're essential for protecting your brand, your team, and your customers. Today we discussed: 00:09 Introducing Paul Chaney 00:42 Why Paul launched the AI Marketing Ethics Digest 02:58 Transparency, bias, and brand reputation in AI output 05:00 Strategy before technology: avoiding “bad work faster 06:55 What “shadow AI” is and how it can harm organizations 07:55 The need for usage policies and monitoring internal AI use 10:32 The Gene

Sara Nay, CEO of Duct Tape Marketing and longtime collaborator with John Jantsch, joins the show to unveil a bold new approach to delivering marketing services—the Anti-Agency Model. With over 15 years of experience leading strategy and innovation, Sara breaks down why the traditional agency model is failing both marketers and small businesses, and how AI is reshaping everything from execution to internal team leadership. This episode explores the shift from outsourced marketing to building in-house systems supported by AI, empowering businesses to take ownership of their growth. Tune in to discover how agencies and fractional CMOs can embrace this future-ready model and drive deeper value for clients. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introduction 01:18 How the current agency model fails businesses and agencies alike 02:48 The misalignment between agency incentives and business goals 03:26 Using AI to elevate—not eliminate—marketers 07:06 The evolution toward system installers and strategic leaders 09:47 B

Anne-Laure Le Cunff is a neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and founder of the wildly popular Ness Labs—a platform focused on mindful productivity and creative experimentation. A former marketing executive at Google, Anne-Laure brings both scientific rigor and real-world insight to the conversation. In this episode, she shares ideas from her new book Tiny Experiments, revealing how to break free from rigid goal-setting and design small, curiosity-driven experiments that foster personal and professional growth. Listeners will walk away with a powerful mindset shift and practical tools for embracing uncertainty and unlocking creativity through experimentation. Today we discussed: 00:09 Introduction to Anne-Laure and the concept behind Tiny Experiments 02:11 How a health scare triggered Anne-Laure's career shift 03:41 Why we're obsessed with goals—and how it can be harmful 05:42 The myth of public accountability: Why telling people your goals might not help 06:47 What exactly is a tiny experiment? 07:36 Re

Jonathan Grabowski is the co-founder and Chief Marketing Officer of Penji, an innovative on-demand graphic design platform known for delivering unlimited custom design services with a human-first approach. Under his leadership, Penji has grown into a 500-person global team by blending systematized creative services with deep empathy and customer care. In this episode, Jonathan shares how businesses can scale design, improve customer experience, and outshine competitors by focusing on connection over convenience. Discover why human interaction still trumps AI in branding and how empathy is a true growth tactic for modern entrepreneurs. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Johnathan Grzybowski 01:53 The Origin of Penji 05:46 How to Establish a Brand Identity 08:25 The Human Element of Penji 09:47 Penji Success Stories 14:13 How AI Affects the Design Workflow Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about t

Suzy Welch is a New York Times bestselling author, and professor at NYU Stern School of Business. She’s also the creator of Becoming You, a proven method for aligning your values, aptitudes, and interests to design a purpose-driven career. In this episode, Suzy shares how her transformative framework helps individuals cut through the noise and find true clarity about who they are and what they’re meant to do. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Suzy Welsh 01:24 What Inspired Becoming You 03:02 Finding Your Purpose 07:07 Moving Past the Fear of Finding Your Purpose 10:25 Discovering Your Aptitudes 13:26 The Balance Between Joy and Financial Security 14:47 Finding You at Any Age 16:56 Impact of AI on the Workplace More About Suzy Welch: Check out Suzy Welch's Website: https://www.suzywelch.com Connect with Suzy Welch on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/suzywelch/ Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what y

Keith Lauver is a serial entrepreneur, seasoned marketing strategist, and founder of Atomic Elevator, the company behind Ella—an AI-powered marketing platform transforming how brands approach strategy and execution. He has launched six companies and raised over $34 million through product-driven growth. In this episode, Keith shares how High Definition Marketing and AI tools like Ella are redefining marketing for small businesses and agencies alike. Discover how to align your marketing strategy with execution, break through brand stagnation, and drive real business growth with smarter, not louder, tactics. Today we discussed: 00:00 Introduction 00:41 What is High Definition Marketing? 01:59 How Has Marketing Strategy Changed? 08:17 ELLA and DTM Partnership 12:52 ELLA Elevates Your Marketing Team 16:46 How are AI Tools Evolving? More About Keith Lauver: Check out Keith Lauver's Website: https://www.atomicelevator.com Connect with Keith Lauver's on LinkedIn: https://⁠www.linkedin.com/in/

John breaks down five powerful ways to use Google Search Console to transform your SEO strategy. From uncovering high-intent search queries to improving click-through rates and measuring true search visibility, this episode offers practical insights that go far beyond rankings. If you're ready to turn SEO data into real business results, this episode is a must-listen. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 SEO is Not Dead 02:53 Intent and Content Opportunities 05:12 Local and Branded Visibility Signals 05:53 Measuring Trust and Visibility 07:05 Fixing Technical Problems 08:06 Guiding AI Content Rate, Review, & Follow If you liked this episode, please rate and review the show. Let us know what you loved most about the episode. Struggling with strategy? Unlock your free AI-powered prompts now and start building a winning strategy today!

Mark Schaefer is a globally recognized marketing futurist, bestselling author of Marketing Rebellion and The Content Code, and host of the top-ranked Marketing Companion podcast. He’s also a keynote speaker and trusted strategy consultant to some of the world’s leading brands. In this episode, Mark joins the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast to discuss his latest book, Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World. He shares powerful insights on why human-centered marketing is the antidote to AI saturation and how bold, creative branding, emotional connection, and shared experiences are reshaping modern marketing strategy. If you're looking to stand out in the age of automation, this episode is your roadmap. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Mark Schaefer 00:59 Where Do Humans Fit in an AI Dominated World? 04:09 A World Without Shared Experiences 07:00 How to Out-Human AI 09:44 Embracing Every Day Awe 13:08 How AI is Changing Consumer Behavior 17:25 Story of the Book Cover 19:

Dan Sanchez is an AI marketing strategist, consultant, and creator of the AI-Driven Marketer podcast. He’s a leading voice in the intersection of artificial intelligence and marketing strategy, helping businesses harness AI for content creation, automation, and growth. In this episode, Dan shares how marketers can think strategically about AI tools like ChatGPT—using them not just to automate tasks, but to enhance problem-solving, productivity, and creative strategy. Tune in to learn how to cut through the noise, avoid overwhelm, and make AI your most valuable co-pilot in the ever-evolving world of marketing. Today we discussed: 00:00 Opening 00:09 Introducing Dan Sanchez 01:57 Approaching AI Strategically 04:04 Creating New Things with AI 06:36 Evolution of AI Prompting 08:50 Humans Changing Role in Marketing 11:38 Developing Skills vs Delegating Tasks 13:51 AI Agents Affect on Marketing 17:50 Advice on Using Deep Research More About Dan Sanchez: Check out Dan Sanchez's Website: https://danchez.com Connec

Marcus Sheridan is a globally recognized keynote speaker, author of They Ask, You Answer, and founder of one of the world’s most visited swimming pool websites. With over 750 keynotes delivered—including TEDx—and features in The New York Times and Forbes, Marcus is a trusted voice in content marketing and brand transparency. In this episode, he shares how businesses can dominate their industries by building customer trust by embracing self-service tools, and saying what competitors won’t. Tune in to learn how to rethink your marketing strategy, leverage video content, and future-proof your brand in an AI-driven world. Today we discussed: [00:00] Opening [00:09] Introducing Marcus Sheridan [02:10] Building a Known and Trusted Brand [06:18] Thinking Like a Media Company [11:20] Using AI to Help With Promotion [15:25] Mitigating Risk for Customers [20:05] Controlling the Conversation More About Marcus Sheridan: Check out Marcus Sheridan's Website: https://www.marcussheridan.com Connect with Marcus Sheridan o