The Rich Roll Podcast

Phil Stutz is the legendary psychiatrist, author, and protagonist in the Netflix documentary “Stutz.” Alongside co-author and writer Elise Loehnen, they explore their new book “True & False Magic.”   This conversation delves into “Part X”—the destructive force within us all—along with Universe 1 vs. Universe 2 thinking, and how pain, uncertainty, and constant work serve as unavoidable portals to growth. Together, they present actionable tools and a profound spiritual framework for living fully.   Along the way, Phil illustrates concepts with hand-drawn diagrams, while Elise translates these insights into everyday practice.    Their complementary wisdom offers a rare treasure—an invitation to a more expansive way of being. Enjoy!   Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up   Today’s Sponsors: iFit: Use the code RICHROLL to get 10% off any purchase of $999+